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MI shooter heard God, put clock in microwave

I read this article tonight, and had quite a few thoughts on the issue.

How many people of all types of religions claim to actually hear their god speaking to them?

Most people who are also religious actually believe this type of thing. You hear it all the time:

“God told me to do it, so I did.”

“He spoke to me, and I listened.”

“I heard him in my heart.”

“God answered my prayers!”

Exodus 3:4 – When the LORD saw that he had gone over to look, God called to him from within the bush, “Moses! Moses!”
And Moses said, “Here I am.”

“I talk to god all the time! He listens, and he answers me.”

It’s actually fairly common to hear this type of talk when it comes to religion. And it doesn’t seem to matter which religion, either!

What’s unique about this story, is that this guy acted in a dangerous and reckless manner.

And when that happens, they finally take people like this in for a mental evaluation.

My question is this:
Why do they wait so long to get these people help from a mental professional?!

Why don’t they corral all the people who claim to have conversations with their god?

If the argument is, “well, they haven’t done anything dangerous”, I would beg to differ! People who have conversations with entities that aren’t visible to everyone else are a danger to society! They spread their insanity around to anyone who will listen, especially to others who are of the same religious persuasion as they are, and are highly inclined to believe in this type of mass delusion. They infect children, from the moment they are born; children who aren’t yet capable of rational thought processes; children who will eventually grow up to try to infect more people. They go around claiming that everything they do is because their god wants them to do it, or that it’s “god’s will”.

And eventually, a small percentage of them will go on to do something violent.

Why not nip it in the bud the moment it’s revealed that the person believes s/he is communicating with their god? They are in need of psychiatric intervention at that point, not when they finally snap and do something violent!

Furthermore, why is it somehow acceptable for someone to be talking to their god,


if they said they were talking to their dead grandparents, or a random ghost, or their imaginary friend, we’d immediately understand that they were mentally incapacitated and seek professional help for them?

Would someone please explain to me the difference? I’m sure the afflicted person truly believes that what they are experiencing is actually happening to them
(just like the religious person talking to their god).

I’m sure they feel the presence of the invisible entity
(just like the religious person talking to their god).

There might even be proof of the existence of spirits or ghosts! And yet, the majority of society will say that these people are delusional, while they themselves believe that they can have a conversation with their god. Why the hypocrisy?

Lastly, why are this Michigan man’s beliefs any less valid than the belief that Moses had conversations with his god? Moses also acted in a violent manner. Why wasn’t Moses (and any other character in the bible who had a similar conversation) swept off to see a psychiatrist?

  1. January 31, 2011 at 2:35 pm

    I have no answer to your well reasoned statements. I believe that anyone who thinks they are having a conversation is unbalanced. But, we then get to the question of religion. The majority of people in this country believe in some religion. For them speaking to god is natural. That is what they are doing when they pray. So once again, I have no answer to your well reasoned statements.
    Peace, howie

    • February 1, 2011 at 5:22 am

      Howie, I don’t have answers, either. I’ve hopefully gotten people to think about what they’re saying and doing, though.

  2. January 31, 2011 at 9:20 pm

    substitute in their ego when they mention god, and it makes a whole lot more sense…

    “My ego told me to do it, so I did.”

    “My ego spoke to me, and I listened.”

    “I heard my ego in my heart.”

    “My ego answered my prayers!”

    Exodus 3:4 – When the Moses’ ego saw that Moses had gone over to look, Moses’ ego called to Moses from within the bush, “Moses! Moses!”
    And Moses said, “Here I am.”

    “I talk to my ego all the time! my ego listens, and my ego answers me.”

    well, the Moses one didn’t make much sense! ^_^

    • February 1, 2011 at 5:23 am

      LOL yeah, the Moses one was a bit screwy. But you could insert almost any word besides “God”, and it would make as much sense. Cat, mirror, left toe … it’s all crazy talk.

      • February 1, 2011 at 4:39 pm

        indeed! but with the ego being god, that creates a feedback loop.

        in a non-religious person, we would just see that person as being full of themselves, but somehow they still got what they think they deserve

        like one of those “god’s gift to women” sort of guys, that in spite of being total jerks with their bragging to everyone that they *are* “god’s gift”, they are still able to pick up girls, even though they brag to these girls that they will dump them as soon as someone else comes along

        in the ego-god person, the bragging is when they tell us about all the things that god did, how god makes them feel, how god answers prayer, how their god told them to do this and that etc etc

        and in the ego-god person, the “girls” are just the latest fix that results from their bragging, but since it’s their own brain feeding them this attention fix, there is an endless supply of this fix to be given.

        so bragging about believing in god would seem to be some sort of addiction, you gotta keep doing it otherwise the ego will become depressed from the lack of attention

        and bragging about god to non-believers, must be like quadruple bonus points in overtime happy hour or something, as opposed to the usual single points from the free throw line where they normally voice their opinions of themselves.

        which is probably why they react so badly to non-believers, as they’re used to not having someone contradict them and make them shoot at the basket from so far away, because the other 99.99% of their ego feeding was from themselves, which is no different to non-believers, except we don’t pretend we’re god so there isn’t this constant conflict of going against god to justify our decisions in life.

        because when the ego *is* god, this conflict and contradiction is utterly forbidden, resulting in temper tantrums and outbursts of “you’re going to hell”, blah blah blah. it’s like when a computer program, with a bug in it, is given a bit of input that makes it go haywire…

        so their “error message” is something like

        “i don’t care, I believe and you don’t! so nur-nur nuh nur-nur”

        and the more they do that, the more warm and fuzzies they get, but the reality is that they are just getting a divide by zero error (an error where the equation itself didn’t make sense, ie. how can you divide a number into zero portions?), it’s a feature of the program, not a bug, at least from their point of view.

        so of course they would say “God answered my prayers!” – their ego probably depressed them so much about whatever it was praying about, that it actually made whatever thing they wanted to happen

        “Dear LORD: I really want that job to pay the bills” …
        “well, okay, apply for that job and i’ll see what i can do”

        two weeks later an ecstatic employer tells their new employee they got the job … “thank you Jesus thank you!”


        they get a “thanks but sorry” letter .. “oh well, that company must be in league with satan or something like that, thank you for protecting me Jesus!”

        the ego can’t lose, not when it is god, because the Jesus card out-trumps the rational reasons for not getting the job, like a poorly written application or whatever.

        these people who brag that they are believers, are kind of like people make up stuff on their resumes and think they can get away with it, simply because they say so..

        like a job that requires really fast typing skills, you get the job by saying you can type fast, then when you demonstrate that you can’t actually type fast, you still keep your job because you simply keep saying that you can type fast, and you get away with it because everyone else on the job is also saying that “yeah, I can type fast”, so there’s this tolerance of people who can’t actually type fast, in some sort of mass attitude of “if everyone else is a slacker, then so am I!”

        which is very much the attitude i see from a lot of “christians” online, they seem to be completely unaware that they have their religion wrong, as you’re not supposed to brag that you are a believer, you’re *supposed* to go and do nice, friendly things for people if you believe in Jesus Christ, and your not supposed to brag about that either!! (Mat 6:1-8)


        • February 3, 2011 at 2:14 am

          So much to take in there, but my reaction to all of it was just to sit here, giggle, and nod in agreement. That pretty much sums it up. 😀

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